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nov. 2, 2021
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Histoire 8.5
Acting/Cast 9.0
Musique 8.5
Degrés de Re-visionnage 7.0
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Big Production, Great Acting but very SLOW

Completed - 11/1/2021

"The Rebel Princess" indeed is a big-budget production, where Zhang Zi Yi herself invested in and recruited many world-class experts that she works with in the movies. The costumes, music, cinematography and sets are beautiful and elaborate. There is nothing you can criticize in its production value. The drama boasts a huge cast and their acting is superb. My #1 complaint of this drama is the slowness. It's not the plot that is slow and draggy, which happens in almost all long, historical C-drama. But I find the show itself is full of slow movements and dialogues (too many pauses). To binge-watch this slow 68-episode drama is very difficult. Maybe if I am watching this when it's broadcasted live and follow along week-to-week, I might have enjoyed this more.

Plot:
I enjoy the overarching main plot. There is a lot of court politics in this drama. Everyone wants a piece of the throne, whether they are royal or entitled to or not. All parents sacrifice their children for power, and they all do it in the name of "love". It's ironic that our main leads are not one of them, and yet they are probably the most qualified to bring peace to the nation. There are many subplots and I do enjoy how they weave together to contribute to the full story. As mentioned above, I personally find this drama to be too slow. If everything is sped up a little bit, it might be easier to binge-watch. However, I do understand that directors and producers are not making dramas for binge-watchers. But if you are a binge-watcher like me, just be aware. The drama also is narrated from FL/Ah Wu's point of view. It's a little interesting/weird that her monologues happen quite often, instead of just the beginning or ending of an episode. I feel that the pacing of the last 20 episodes is faster. Since the assassination, there is a lot more action. This event also started the strong finish of the drama. I greatly enjoy the ending (last 2-3 episodes) and feel that it brings closure to almost all storylines and characters.

Main Romance/Leads:
There are so many complaints about Zhang Zi Yi (ZZY) acting as an 15- year old girl. It is somewhat hard to forget that she's 42 (even if she's a beautiful and young-looking 42-year old woman). However, she only needs to act like a 15-year old for about 6-7 episodes. Once she's forced to marry our ML and all the events happened around that time, she is forced to grow up and doesn't act young anymore. In fact, I feel that her character grows up too fast and she becomes too mature, to match our older ML. A big selling point of this drama is our awesome male lead played by Zhou Yi Wei (ZYW). He is an amazing general and and an even better husband. The leads have a very mature and trusting relationship. ZYW brought this character to life. A minor complaint that I have is that we need more ZYW. There aren't enough scenes of him, and even less with him and ZZY. Our leads are separated from each other most of the time. Although the chemistry was good when they are together, their romance doesn't give me the same feels as in my other favorite shows "The Rise of the Phoenixes" or "Legend of Fu Yao". When they are together, they are too calm and mature. It's lacking some playfulness and lightness to this romance to hook me in.

Costumes & Production:
They must have spent a lot of their budget on costumes. I feel like ZZY has a new outfit each day or each episode. You can see they are elaborate and expensive (though I do not always like her style). I also particularly enjoy ZYW's black casual outfit. It fits him like a glove and he looks so dashing it in. Additionally, the red and black court officials outfits might be my most favorite court officials costumes in all of the historical dramas I've seen. It's such a nice combination - simple colors but work so well together when layered. All the ladies also have very nice costumes, but none can be compared to our female lead's. On the other hand, I am most impressed with the war and battle scenes. You can see that they spend money in hiring extras to be in these battles. When they say it's a big battle, you see a big battle and not CGI fake people or comics (looking at you "The Long Ballad"). The Mount Lianyu battle is especially amazing and greatly shot. That battle is one of my favorite events - from the white horse running to the black horse and towards the enemies, to the tragic death and self-sacrifice of the general, and the black horse kneeling down to get our male lead on its back. Everything is perfect.

OST & Dubbing:
I really enjoy the background music in this drama. The music complements the scenes so well. The few songs that were sung were nice as well and I especially like the duet. I don't feel that the songs were overplayed but just enough at the right time. One of my personal pet peeves is when the music is so loud that it overpowers the actors dialog. For the most part, we don't have this problem here. However, because of the live recording, I feel that at times, the music is a tiny bit louder than I like. Speaking of live recording, it's a pleasure to be able to listen to almost all actors real voice, either live or post-production dubbing. Only a few actors and actresses were dubbed, mainly because they do not have the Mainland Chinese accents.

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sept. 19, 2021
68 épisodes vus sur 68
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Globalement 8.0
Histoire 5.5
Acting/Cast 6.0
Musique 9.5
Degrés de Re-visionnage 1.0
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Hmmm .....

There are 2 points that I quite like from this drama
1. The ost is quite good, huxia and zhou shen, really got the feeling of the song
2. when 500 ningshuo soldier went to luyuan valley to reinforcement,they said......


Not too bad,, the duration of the story is stable, everything is approximately 44,43,45 minutes,,,and every opening and closing episode is always related, it's rare for Chinese dramas like that, it seems the effort they put into this drama deserves appreciation


#The synopsis of the story is different from the title,, more to the opposite of the title

Telling the ambition of a noble official, but not being approved by his own family for the good of the kingdom citizen , don't know where the title "rebel princess" comes from?


At the beginning of the drama, my first thought was that this drama has very good details, but the atmosphere of the story is very flat even when what should be tense is very flat, the atmosphere is not tense at all, but only until episode 7? and then the detailed story is not very clear but the atmosphere of the story is more carried, not too boring but a bit lacking indeed

the acting is also very flat, and in my opinion the selection of the cast is not very good, you can say from the start the feeling I got was that the acting was too excessive with exaggerated expressions and body gesture, it felt very strange,, like songhuaien and wangxuan ,,,, Wangxuan doesn't completely not get the emotional feelings, but the body expression is a bit too much

The dialogue in the story seems inconsistent, every character and dialogue cast is inconsistent, the loyalty to whom is not clear, sometimes what they say in the dialogue and what they do is different, inconsistent! And the dialogue that is said is not clear, especially with words that are rarely used, without the mandarin sub it's a bit difficult to understand, because even with the english sub the translation is not always correct


And when Huyao helped Yuzhang Lord in Luyuan Valley, and put him on the horse's back, it was very clear that the horse's leg was pulled, and is it worthy to be called animal abuse? because in every historical drama there must be something like that happened, only this time it's obvious



And there are some stories that I don't quite understand the purpose of
1. What did emperor say to zitan when emperor is under house arrest by zilv?
2. ep48, if zitan doesn't rebel, then what soldier who is fighting outside the mausoleum? What is the purpose? I think zitan wants to rebel, that's why he wants to kill the imperial guard of the mausoleum,but he didnt

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juil. 25, 2021
68 épisodes vus sur 68
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Globalement 10
Histoire 9.0
Acting/Cast 9.5
Musique 10
Degrés de Re-visionnage 10
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The Rebel Princess is the cdrama that I go around try to make people watch and they think 68 episodes is too long, but every so often, I will be rewarded for my perseverance and someone will watch it. Then I enjoy myself as I watch them absolutely lose it over Xiao Qi and A'wu. I am at peace.

In all seriousness, I absolutely adore this show. I've watched it through all the way twice, but I also go back and re-watch my favourite episodes (like 13, 18, 33). I was definitely lost for the first few episodes since I wasn't sure how everyone was related, but once that was sorted out, I didn't mind the court intrigue stuff. The highlight was the romance and the relationship between Xiao Qi and A'wu though. There's this lived-in intimacy with the two of them that's just so gorgeous to watch.

Spoilers after this point!
I was so relieved that this show had a happy ending. There's some bittersweetness due to so many people dying, but the main couple is happy together so it's happy.

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nov. 26, 2023
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Musique 9.0
Degrés de Re-visionnage 9.0

Worth watching

Zhang Zi Yi and Zhou Yi Wei are both superb in portraying their characters, their chemistry is so good. I really enjoy watching this drama. The cinematography and costumes are beautiful; the production, plot, scenery, setting, story and acting are outstanding. I love how Awu's growth and maturity develop as the story progresses; her behavior before she was married to the general and after she became the general's wife. Overcoming so many, challenges, betrayal, and trials; their love and devotion to each other develops with honesty, respect, openness, trust and caring. This is how a strong and relationship is formed. Zhang Zi Yi is a great actress, extremely talented and very versatile; her acting is believable.

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Globalement 9.0
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Acting/Cast 10
Musique 10
Degrés de Re-visionnage 9.5
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How to survive royal family and court

Clearly this is a very amazing show but if you are no a very stubble some drama story type then this is not meant for you.
Fl is truly definition of beauty with brain and its amazing I like how Awu is respected in the court and her brilliance is just outrageous .
Their love the main leads is sooo perfect I just love them.
the acting was top notch can't get any better chemistry
I really like that in this drama that there is no custom where the deal can be only touched my husband even the father or brothers can't touch .
the costumes are breath taking .
OMG! OMG! I loved it so much I cried when Song general died love it
According to rather this drama being an emotional rollercoaster it portrayed the awful condition(physically and mentally) that the royals lived in past.

In the beginning it was Avery amazing drama the FL was fun the court was thoughtful but after Awu got married you know there is a black time period go there kingdom that started .

Around episode 30 things were starting to get messy and at episode 40 I felt that you really required all the focus on understanding the concepts of previous episodes and connect them .
Its like how
the FLs mother just died the father then felt a bit of guilt but when she was alone he was crying for his concubine .
the FLs brother just became manipulative and over powering like his dad.
The King was killed by the Queen. like with..
Crazy the new Empress wants to kill XQ and Awu and also the Empress Dowager wants to divide the Generals army and kill the him too, Helan Tuo wants to kill the General with the Help of third Prince..

and also Awu is not being helpful here with meeting Helan Tuo to safe that spoiled brat...Su jn'er is useless as always...

General song have crush on Awu and also he is hiding something else from XQ..
Like at this point to may things are happening at the moment .

but then further it was a very well develop and scripted drama each an every character had its own story and a meaningful one loved it.
A GREAT SHOW

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POP
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févr. 3, 2021
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Globalement 10
Histoire 9.5
Acting/Cast 10
Musique 10
Degrés de Re-visionnage 10

All cast are the best. You will fall in love with main lead

This drama make me fall in love slowly slowly. I can’t stop thinking what is going to next Ep. Watch it please . I am not sure how many time I rewatching again and again . Time with the most favorite drama will not waste . I do love lead actor Xiaoxi a husband of Princess . If the real life have a guy like this how happy I am . He is very kind and loyal . Please have a happy ending for my happy ending. I want to be happy for them and for myself.



The cast are amazing, why are they so good at acting.
The dress , costume OMG ? .

Anyway , for me I do love lead actress first but after I m watching it I love ❤️ lead actor too . Why he is to handsome, hard to handle if in real life that’s impossible.

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Globalement 9.5
Histoire 9.0
Acting/Cast 10
Musique 10
Degrés de Re-visionnage 9.5
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O título é questão de interpretação.

Sinceramente foi um dos unicos doramas chineses que não pensei em momento algum dropar.

A história é impressionantemente boa! A tensão nunca acaba e você sempre fica um pé atrás com todos os personagens.

A quimica entre os principais me deixaram extasiasa de felicidade! Nunca vi um casal de dorama histórico ter tanta quimica quanto esses dois! E a trilha sonora fica na sua cabeça, você nunca cansa e quer sempre ouvir.

Bom, agora serei mais formal.

A história em si é bem trabalhada e o desenvolvimento foi maravilhoso, tudo foi bem pensando e bem trabalhado pelos atores e diretores. Porém, tem horas do drama que você precisa pensar muito, como algo vai funcionar ou como funcionou, afinal o que não falta nesse drama são consequências— por isso gostei tanto—, não há enrolação e por mais que seja longo é divertido e te faz querer assistir mais e mais. Gostei de como o final não foi algo aberto ou muito decisivo.

O drama em todo o periodo retratou muito bem a fala "tirar as ervas daninhas para que as flores pudessem crescer", e isso que me fez adorar tanto ele.

Obrigado pelos colaboradores e peloa tradutores. <3

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Histoire 9.5
Acting/Cast 9.5
Musique 9.0
Degrés de Re-visionnage 8.0

One of the best shows out there

I had to admit Zhang Ziyi was the main reason why I clicked this title. I thought she’d play a great empress or wife of a seasoned general. Was taken aback when she came up in 1st episode playing a teenager(15/16yo i think) instead. Wth? She looked like she could be the wife of the father! How ridiculous. And they didnt even put much effort in make up to have her look like a teenager. She looked bare faced throughout, although I admire her beauty, it’s definitely the beauty of a matured woman. I could accept if her role had been a princess in her 30s, but come on, to have 39yo to play a teenager/young adult role is pretty hilarious. She looked as old as the rest of the cast who plays the ministers and their consorts ??‍♀️

However, I stuck through the show because it had a good storyline. She’s a talented actress, of course she could pull through despite the obvious seasoned look. I must say that this series is really fast paced, there are no wasted pointless scenes, and I can’t seem to put down the screen. One episode seduces me to continue to another and I feel bad when I had to put the screen down so my life wont be halted. I even brought the phone into the bathroom to watch while doing no 2 and bathing, finished bingeing all 68 episodes in 3 days!

Now this is the real palace conspiracy and politics is all about, it kept the audience on edge with one intense episode after another. I truly admire FL and ML. ML, although not handsome with rather big nose which bothered me during the earlier episodes, had me charmed with his outstanding performance. He looked perfect as the boorish man from a poor family background who spends his whole life on the battleground. He’s not flawlessly handsome with boyish look like the typical ML, he’s not ‘mad’ madly in love like any typical ML (and yet we can still feel his ultimate love for FL), and he carries the countenance of a courageous intelligent general and strategist really well. I like ML’s look with the goatie in the final parts though. He looked so much more handsome this way. I never liked men with face hair but he’s one of those men who looked extremely handsome with them.

This show is so good it even has one of the most intense, believable and astonishing battle scenes that I’ve seen on screen. My heart was pounding throughout the battle as I was anxious to see what would happen next. I’m not sure how accurate to the book this show is, but I’m glad I didnt read the book beforehand else it wouldve ruinned the suspense.

Im just frustrated that in every scene of them reuniting, there are no moving moments. They just look at each other longingly and then the next scene came up where everyone’s safe. So frustrating. But honestly this is one of the best shows ive seen so far. Although I wouldnt rewatch the entire show, I definitely would rewatch some real good episodes.

The only thing I dislike about this show is the fact that almost every other male character who is supposedly around the same age as FL’s character, and not related to her immediate family, seem to fall head over heels for her. Come on, they even made the supporting character to fall in love with her too! One of my pet peeves on dramas like this is when the FL seem to be the love interest of every other male characters. Come on, so she’s a beauty, but to be the centre of everyone? So cliche!

Oh and I agree with other reviewers that the title doesnt really reflect on the story. Definitely not a Rebel Princess, FL was like one of the most obedient ones out there. Intelligent, yes, rebel, definitely a no. I guess they chose that title to make it intriguing. At least I clicked because of the title, then after reading the synopsis only knew that ZZY was in the lead casts. The story did not disappoint of course.

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juil. 17, 2021
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Acting/Cast 8.5
Musique 8.5
Degrés de Re-visionnage 8.0

Alternative title: Love in Times of Royal Conflicts

OVERALL
This is a feel-good drama, not because of fluff or comedy (there's literally none in here!) but because it has a "good always wins" plot that gives you little frustration, and as a bonus, is actually gripping enough to binge. Watch it if 1) you like strong female leads, 2) you're picky about production and you need good cinematography, 3) you enjoy political intrigues. Think twice about it if 1) you like well-written and emotional love stories, 2) you like when the good guys sweat a bit, 3) you prefer dramas with a light mood/feel.

THE STORY
The best thing about this drama is its production. You can tell this was produced by someone used to film production because they really made clever, significant choices with lighting, sound and décor. All of it converges to create a dark and depressing mood/feel, which echoes the claustrophobic and tragic environment of nobility and royalty. And that's what the story is essentially about; the toxicity of the political sphere in Great Cheng era. (Just needed to fangirl over technical stuff!)

The plot is also, for the most part, quite fine. Political intrigues are coherent and they level up as the drama progresses (which is great because sometimes schemes get dumber as the story evolves). Characters have depth too, even (and especially) secondary ones. The title is misleading, main girl isn't really rebellious (she sometimes even comes off as submissive), but she is definitely strong and mature. Main guy is quiet but he's not the cold brooding type (yay!), he's actually pretty nurturing and kind. The biggest problem with The Rebel Princess is that the romance is meant to be an important part of the drama but it doesn't convince at all. Part of it is lack of chemistry between the leads, but part of it is the fact that the love story is SO underdeveloped. The protagonists go from strangers to lovers in the space of...1 episode? And then spend the rest of the drama being deeply in love. We definitely needed to see the process of them learning to care for one another. Plus, conflicts are important for relationship growth, and it doesn't feel like there's any growth in the OTP because they literally never fight.

Apart from the relationship, another downside to the drama is the way the good guys ALWAYS win. Except for once in the drama, you never really get the impression that they took on a serious blow. This isn't terrible, it makes for a more enjoyable watch, but it feels somewhat unrealistic. The ending (second half of the last episode) is also very rushed and incoherent. THAT BEING SAID, the drama is totally binge material. It's gorgeous and the never-ending schemes keep you watching until the last minute. Even though the OTP isn't swoon-worthy, you still end up rooting for them.

THE ACTING
Other reviews already mentioned the age situation, so I won't - plus, to be honest, I don't think it matters. Sure, the cast is older than the characters they play, but they look compatible with one another, so what's the problem? In general, the cast did well, especially Zhang Ziyi, but in terms of chemistry between actors (not just between the main leads but also with the secondary cast) I didn't feel much. Dramas like this highlight how acting isn't just about individual performance, it's also about the dynamics with other actors. In this case, they weren't that great. It doesn't stop you from enjoying the drama, though, so I guess it's okay.

THE MUSIC
It was fine, though there wasn't any song I felt like listening to on my own. Honestly, I was just grateful the music wasn't excessive and loud like in some other C-dramas (*cough* Oh My General *cough*).

REWATCH VALUE
It's quite high. Not super high because the drama is lowkey depressing, but it does end well and it is an enjoyable watch so I just know I'll watch it again.

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Cheating & Shameless Wife

I especially created this account to write this review!
I found those top reviews misleading.
Some one wrote 'Doting Wife!' - its absolute shit.
I can put up with poor acting , cinematography but WTF is wrong with story writer.
Who would want to have such shameless wife like Awu.
First she shows her affection to ex-boyfriend both in front of her husband and behind his back not once or twice but she does it continuously.
Then she secretly begins to meet her husbands greatest enemy - Helen Prince who once kidnapped her and who openly admitted his sexual desires towards her and even tried to sexually assault her in a closed room.
To make the things worse she agrees to become his friend and shamelessly dances intimately with him while she had already refused to dance for her husband (who after learning that her Princess wife was famous in capital for her dance wanted her to dance for him to see).
I was so disgusted that i did not watch it past 48th episode.
In the end i can only conclude that she is a Shameless and Cheating wife.
It was UTTERLY DISGUSTING to watch this drama ????????????

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There is so much I want to say about this series but only one word really sums it up – masterpiece! It has been a while since I’ve been on edge, waiting, anticipating but thoroughly enjoying each episode! I end up binge-watching this within a short time because I couldn’t wait to see what happen next!

What I like about this series:

The chemistry between the leads. I know FL is a big star and she has done a lot of movies rather than series so I wasn’t expecting much. But I was taken by surprise. Being an experienced actor, she really did a great job here! Half the time besides admiring each and every different outfit she had on, I kept watching her expression and her gestures. I also enjoy ML performance. I forget what a great actor he is. He plays the great warlord, he is able to conquer all his enemies on the battleground as well as the emperor court. I can’t stop thinking about his love for FL. He was a man with principle, integrity, and love for his wife and his brotherhood. Often his choice was for the good of the country, his wife, or his army. Quite honestly, I was expecting a bit of a rough time when they got married. ML was not her first choice but as a chess piece, she was thrown into an arranged marriage. I love how the plot opens with them having an open heart to heart conversation, kicking off their relationship to a good start. I gotta admit I stayed because I knew from that point on, this was going to get good! I’m glad I stay for the whole ride! It was very impressive. There was so much that happened! It made you questioned who can you trust? Is blood thicker than water? Can you really hold your integrity as a poor humble being or will you fall for the beautiful temptation of what the emperor court offers? I’m actually glad we got seasonal actors because I don’t think a new face can pull off such beautiful acting, chemistry, and feelings!!

The plot and storyline. I was on edge and couldn’t wait for the next devious plot. If you read my previous reviews you know I don’t like fighting for the throne and emperor politics but this series got me thinking so hard I could barely sleep. All I can think about is, what are they planning next!

Cinemograph - the colors, the details, the outfits, everything was so appealing I didn’t know where to look.

The bad:

Just small little things that I chuckled at. There were a lot of scenes where it was slowed down to emphasize and heighten the emotion that was going through your head. One, in particular, got me chuckling, the scene where FL ran to the gate door after seeing that it was ML on the other end.

The other scene was when ML found out about her miscarriage, the doctor told him that she won’t be able to give conceive anymore and if she did, she can die from it. He grabs onto his heart from the attack. It was a bit over the top for me. His character was always this calm demeanor, no how bad the situation is. He took his time listening to the complaint, took his time understanding the issue, thought through the situation before taking action. I kept thinking about the time he stood outside waiting for her to respond.

What I often thought about:

The chemistry between the two. There is this mutual understanding, this love they have for each other. ML will do anything for her, even risking his life with his army to save her. They even had a fight for the first time about money, why can’t every couple's fight be this cute! I want and demand a Xiao Qi now!!!

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Amazing production and acting :)!!!!

What can I say!!! This is the best drama so far in Chinese dramaland :)!!!! I really love the OTP, Awu, and XiaoXi are a powerful couple who fought for peace and freedom for the people. Awu's not a very complex character, but her soul and heart are so pure :). She is all about love and forgiveness. I don't think I have watched any female lead as kind as her?? Her kindness is also a weakness because it seems like so many bad people are betraying her, but in the end, she came out as a winner as her heart is always in the right place. XiaoXi is a warrior that is all for peace and equal-ness. He marries Awu and they built their life on love, kindness, and trust. Their relationship was so nice to see because they are just loving and caring towards each other. They are far from being perfect, but they still trust each other. The plot was great in the way that it makes one think about the hardships within the court and outside of it. One important aspect Awu mentioned is that "if the capital is at peace, then the world----people. citizens will also live a peaceful life..." In the end, Awu and XiaoXi turn the situation around; and bring peace to the world :). The osts amazing too!!!!

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